Lessons from #LawJobChat: @BaranCLE + @LawLine on CLE + Your Career

On Thursday, December 16, 2010, we hosted our sixth #LawJobChat.  Six months.  Wow.  That’s pretty awesome. I’ll write a separate post about this but it’s so awesome that at the end of November we decided to start a #LawJobChat LinkedIn group that you should join!

This particular #LawJobChat was pretty awesome too.

Topic:  CLE + Your Career with @BaranCLE + @LawLine

We spoke with Tim Baran (@BaranCLE) and Jeff Reekers, the Marketing Director  @LawLine, about CLEs.  In specific, we talked about how they can boost your career and how technology is changing them.

Lisa Solomon, a previous #LawJobChat host, brought up some great points and offered some technology tips as well.  I’ve pasted the full transcript below.

5 Takeaway Tweets

  • BaranCLE: for a course to be CLE accredited, the provider must apply in each state. We help you through that process
  • Lawline: Its many papers to fill out! To stay on top of them all is a job in itself. Always have to keep in mind state specifics*

*Fine, 6 takeaway tweets

  • BaranCLE: As in many industries today, it’s becoming increasingly important for CLE positions to include social media skills
  • BaranCLE: Places to look for jobs include: CLE providers, Bar Associations, Law Firms, any entity that offers accredited CLE courses
  • Lawline: RT@lisasolomon Yes! Young attys don’t realize how easy it is 2 become a speaker. Organizations are hungry for content to present

Next #LawJobChat: January 27th, 9-10 pm Eastern

Before I paste the full transcript, I’ll remind everyone that #LawJobChat #7 will take place on January 27th, 2011(!!) from 9-10 pm Eastern.

We’re finalizing the topic and guest host for next time but we’re also open to your suggestions and requests.  You can leave a comment and/or send me an e-mail at melissa at recruiteresq dot com.

Full Transcript

2:00 am aellislegal: Welcome to #LawJobChat! Our topic tonight is CLE & your career. 1st part of discussion will be about jobs avail in CLE #lawjobchat
2:00 am Lawline: Ditto RT @BaranCLE Plz excuse. Back to regularly scheduled tweets in an hour RT @mjsq#LawJobChat soon w/ @LawLine & @BaranCLE.
2:00 am aellislegal: We’ll also talk about advancing your career with CLE – both the skills that help you and the visibility of speaking at CLEs #lawjobchat
2:01 am BaranCLE: Honored. Hey, love the new @lawline avatar #LawJobChat
2:02 am aellislegal: We have 2 CLE experts as our guest co-hosts – @barancle and @lawline. I’ll let these 2 experts introduce themselves #lawjobchat
2:02 am mjsq: Btw, I love @BaranCLE‘s job board. Not only CLE jobs. Great resource. http://www.barancle.com/cle-jobs/ #LawJobChat
2:02 am Lawline: Honored as well! Changing up the picture just for the night :) #LawJobChat
2:02 am aellislegal: @barancle @lawline tell us your backgrounds, current roles. Then, I’ll start with questions (will try to # the questions) #lawjobchat
2:03 am BaranCLE: My name is Tim and I’m a Twitter addict. I’m also a CLE entrepreneur #LawJobChat
2:04 am BaranCLE: my entrepreneurial venture is BaranCLE which offers CLE accreditation services and serves as a hub for info and community #LawJobChat
2:04 am Lawline: Jeff here. Been working with @lawline for past year in accreditation and many other areas. #lawjobchat
2:05 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE @lawline can you elaborate a bit about “accreditation services” for participants unfamiliar with the process? #lawjobchat
2:06 am Lawline: Company has been producing online CLE for past 11 years online. Many new cutting edge products on the way as well! #lawjobchat
2:06 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE @lawline Also, did you work in CLE before obtaining your present roles? #lawjobchat
2:06 am BaranCLE: for a course to be CLE accredited, the provider must apply in each state. We help you through that process #LawJobChat
2:07 am BaranCLE: 45 of the 50 states have a mandatory CLE requirement #LawJobChat
2:08 am BaranCLE: Yes, I was the director of CLE and library at NYC law firm for a decade. I’m getting up there in age #LawJobChat
2:08 am fredabramson: RT @BaranCLE: my entrepreneurial venture is BaranCLE which offers CLE accreditation services and serves as a hub for info and community #LawJobChat
2:09 am Lawline: Its many papers to fill out! To stay on top of them all is a job in itself. Always have to keep in mind state specifics #lawjobchat
2:09 am aellislegal: Q1: what kinds of jobs/roles are available for JDs in the CLE field? #lawjobchat
2:10 am BaranCLE: CLE jobs range from clerical to those requiring a law degree #LawJobChat
2:10 am Lawline: JDs work with us to create programs with our faculty. Their perspective allows them to work hands on and develop great content. #lawjobchat
2:10 am BaranCLE: To answer your Q: CLE jobs for JDs include executive positions at bar associations – lots of bar assns out there #LawJobChat
2:11 am DavidCohenEsq: @BaranCLE I’m surprised all 50 don’t require it. Even if it isn’t required by state, it’s important to keep learning. #LawJobChat
2:11 am BaranCLE: State and federal agencies also a source for #CLE jobs like the courts and related admin offices #LawJobChat
2:12 am aellislegal: @DavidCohenEsq @BaranCLE And, in some states that don’t require it, you still need CLE for malpractice insurance! #lawjobchat
2:12 am Lawline: @DavidCohenEsq It’s getting close. With NJ coming over and MD close to it. #lawjobchat
2:13 am BaranCLE: @DavidCohenEsq yeah, me too. But there is a significant voice of attorneys that oppose mandatory CLE in ANY state #LawJobChat
2:13 am BaranCLE: but that mandatory vs not is a huge can of worms, probably not suited for this discussion :-) #LawJobChat
2:13 am mjsq: And, @BaranCLE, you mentioned you were Director of CLE in a law firm so there are those jobs as well. #LawJobChat
2:14 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE And, what about firms? you mentioned you were dir of CLE at a firm, so opportunities there? #lawjobchat
2:14 am mjsq: @aellislegal @BaranCLE haha, great minds think alike ;-) #LawJobChat
2:14 am aellislegal: @mjsq @BaranCLE great minds think alike :) look at our last tweets! #lawjobchat
2:15 am BaranCLE: Yes, you’ll find many opps in law firms, though directors or coordinators tend to have other responsibilities #LawJobChat
2:15 am aellislegal: @barancle @lawline what about CLE providers like @lawline? What kinds of roles do JDs hold in CLE providers? #lawjobchat
2:16 am BaranCLE: In law firms CLE positions are usually part of the library, marketing or prof dev departments #LawJobChat
2:16 am Lawline: Creating programs and facilitating programs. #lawjobchat
2:17 am Lawline: In NY, for example, a non-attorney course can be accredited, if the program is facilitated by a lawyer #lawjobchat
2:17 am aellislegal: Q2: any special skill set needed for JDs to work in CLE role in bar association, firm, provider, or state agency? #lawjobchat
2:18 am Lawline: Many great minds outside the legal community for great content, we leverage this using program attorneys to facilitate #lawjobchat
2:18 am aellislegal: Q2(cont) do JDs need to practice 1st before transitioning to role of working in CLE (at provider, bar association, state agency) #lawjobchat
2:19 am BaranCLE: As in many industries today, it’s becoming increasingly important for CLE positions to include social media skills #LawJobChat
2:19 am aellislegal: Interesting RT @Lawline: In NY, for example, a non-attorney course can be accredited, if the program is facilitated by a lawyer #lawjobchat
2:20 am DavidCohenEsq: @BaranCLE I see that combo. Firms often hold MCLE for in house counsel on their own or through bar group. Good way to network. #LawJobChat
2:20 am BaranCLE: JDs don’t need to practice before entering the CLE profession, but it helps to have an understanding of how law firm life works #LawJobChat
2:20 am mjsq: Nice! RT @BaranCLE As in many industries today, it’s becoming ++ important for CLE positions to include social media skills #LawJobChat
2:20 am lisasolomon: The NY rule requiring an atty on every program is completely boneheaded. But I suppose that’s another discussion for another day #lawjobchat
2:20 am Lawline: Q2: It doesnt hurt to have experience. And as @BaraCLE said, social media skill is an effective tool #lawjobchat
2:21 am Lawline: @lisasolomon Well said! #lawjobchat
2:21 am BaranCLE: @lisasolomon Lisa, that NY #MCLE rule is one of tons of boneheaded rules around the country! #LawJobChat
2:21 am mjsq: @lisasolomon (same w/ rules about social media courses….) #LawJobChat
2:22 am aellislegal: Q3: where can JDs find job postings/openings for CLE positions? @barancle, tell us about your job board and what it covers? #lawjobchat
2:22 am BaranCLE: @DavidCohenEsq yes, law firms and in-house depts offering CLE is a great way to network and provides vital service to clients #LawJobChat
2:22 am Lawline: Q2: its a 2-way road. Young JDs develop great experience facilitating and developing CLE courses. An intro to the community #lawjobchat
2:23 am mjsq: re Q2: @Lawline, do the JDs contact you & say they want to help develop CLE course or how does that work? #LawJobChat
2:23 am FrankFurbacher: RT @BaranCLE: 45 of the 50 states have a mandatory CLE requirement #LawJobChat
2:23 am BaranCLE: @mjsq yes, that “bonehead” comment applies to many #MCLE rules including marketing and social media accreditation #LawJobChat
2:25 am BaranCLE: CLE jobs boards are rare, which is why I created the listing at barancle.com. #ACLEA is another good source. #LawJobChat
2:26 am BaranCLE: Jobs listed at barancle found via web search, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and relationships formed on those platforms. #LawJobChat
2:26 am DavidCohenEsq: @Lawline The public speaking skill development is huge too. Especially for young litigators who need to speak in front of jury. #LawJobChat
2:26 am Lawline: @mjsq re Q2: We post openings for program attorneys, seek applications, etc. seel those with a passion for learning #lawjobchat.
2:26 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE What is #ACLEA for participants who may not be familiar? Do you have link to your job board? #lawjobchat
2:27 am BaranCLE: Places to look for jobs include: CLE providers, Bar Associations, Law Firms, any entity that offers accredited CLE courses #LawJobChat
2:28 am Lawline: @DavidCohenEsq Re speaking: Absolutely! It is a great skill to develop early in the career. CLE is an ideal way to develop it. #lawjobchat
2:28 am BaranCLE: Yes, here’s the link to jobs board http://www.barancle.com/cle-jobs/ #LawJobChat
2:28 am mjsq: @BaranCLE & @LawLine: re: @DavidCohenEsq‘s pts about networking & public development, how has online CLE changed those aspects? #LawJobChat
2:29 am BaranCLE: @DavidCohenEsq really good point, David. Presenting at CLE events improves public speaking and also provides networking opps #LawJobChat
2:29 am mjsq: Is there still potential for networking & public speaking* development with online CLE? #LawJobChat
2:30 am aellislegal: Q4 @DavidCohenEsq tweeted re importance of public speaking as critical skill for young litigators speaking in front of jury #lawjobchat
2:30 am aellislegal: Q4 cont How can young lawyers speak at CLEs? Do they have to be asked or can they volunteer? #lawjobchat
2:30 am BaranCLE: @aellislegal aclea.org is the Association for CLE, a GREAT resource for establishing connections and building relationships #LawJobChat
2:31 am Lawline: @mjsq look at what has developed on Twitter! those with the bug to engage, CLE can serve as a platform, even online #lawjobchat
2:31 am BaranCLE: Good Q, Amanda. There’s a kind of line that speakers follow from offering their services to becoming “known”, then charging #LawJobChat
2:32 am Lawline: @mjsq re networking: The potential to be seen by a larger audience opens up as well. #lawjobchat
2:32 am BaranCLE: @aellislegal young lawyers should reach out to providers and offer to speak. It would help if they establish expertise #LawJobChat
2:33 am aellislegal: RT @BaranCLE: @aellislegal young lawyers should reach out to providers and offer to speak. Helpful f they establish expertise #lawjobchat
2:33 am BaranCLE: Many bar assns offer a formal process on their websites for lawyers to present. I’m compiling a chart of links. Coming soon #LawJobChat
2:34 am lisasolomon: Tho I wouldn’t call myself “young,” I’ve gotten many speaking gigs by sending proposals 2 organizers of confs. I want 2 speak at #lawjobchat
2:34 am BaranCLE: …and many of the bar assns I just mentioned also promote diversity opps for lawyers to speak at CLE events #LawJobChat
2:35 am Lawline: @BaranCLE Agreed. personalities that take initiative to teach, also likely will develop great content for others process #lawjobchat
2:36 am lisasolomon: I started speaking locally, for the county bar ass’n & local women’s bar ass’n chapter. Now do state/national confs as well #lawjobchat
2:37 am BaranCLE: @lisasolomon Lisa, if young lawyers followed your example of proposing gigs, they’dbe successful. Let’s chat about this ltr? #LawJobChat
2:37 am mjsq: great idea, @lisasolomon! What materials do you include in your proposals? #LawJobChat
2:38 am maggieesq: interested in the answer too – RT@MJSQ Is there still potential for networking & public speaking* development with online CLE? #LawJobChat
2:38 am lisasolomon: @BaranCLE Any time; always love chatting with you #LawJobChat
2:38 am DavidCohenEsq: RT @Lawline: @BaranCLE Agreed. personalities that take initiative to teach, also likely will develop great content for others process #lawjobchat
2:38 am aellislegal: Q5 There was @atlblog post few wks ago by an in-house csl suggesting outside csl present CLEs at office of in-house csl #lawjobchat
2:38 am BaranCLE: @aellislegal Amanda, you book is great resource for job seekers. Social media so important in job search these days #LawJobChat
2:39 am lisasolomon: Young attys don’t realize how easy it is 2 become a speaker. Organizations are hungry for content to present #LawJobChat
2:40 am aellislegal: Q5 cont Suppose sr assoc at firm wanted to create/present CLE onsite for her in-house csl. What’s the next step? #lawjobchat
2:40 am BaranCLE: Totally skipped by that online CLE Q. @lawline, you may be more qualified to answer :-) #LawJobChat
2:40 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE Haha!! Thanks for the plug :) #lawjobchat
2:41 am Lawline: RT@lisasolomon Yes! Young attys don’t realize how easy it is 2 become a speaker. Organizations are hungry for content to present #LawJobChat
2:41 am lisasolomon: @maggieesq Yes, you can integrate attendees into the system you have in place 4 follow-up w/all contacts #lawjobchat
2:42 am BaranCLE: Re: networking for online CLE speakers — the exposure they get facilitates the easiest of networking – peeps call them! #LawJobChat
2:43 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE @lisasolomon Re proposing CLE, is it easier to do this for a local (smaller) bar assn rather than a state bar assn? #lawjobchat
2:43 am Lawline: re Online CLE: The outreach is incredible. More than just community, it can spread across the country. #LawJobChat
2:43 am lisasolomon: @BaranCLE #lawjobchat Sort of – as in all marketing, a single contact (even a valuable online program) isn’t sufficient to make the sale
2:44 am DavidCohenEsq: @Lawline it’s true. I’m chairing an all day MCLE next month. The hardest part is finding the speakers. #LawJobChat
2:44 am BaranCLE: @aellislegal may be test case for your book! Thinking of P/T gig to supplement entrepreneurial venture -prefer to grow it slowly #LawJobChat
2:45 am lisasolomon: Easier to propose to local bar ass’n b/c you probably already have contacts there who are happy to provide a platform for you #lawjobchat
2:45 am BaranCLE: I’ve been chatting with a few folks about creating CLE speakers bureau of sorts. Would be great for young lawyers AND providers #LawJobChat
2:46 am aellislegal: Q6 Is it easier for young lawyer to become speaker for online CLE course rather than live event or is there no difference? #lawjobchat
2:46 am aellislegal: LOVE! RT @BaranCLE: Ive been chatting with folks re creating CLE speakers bureau. Would be great for young lawyers AND providers #lawjobchat
2:46 am lisasolomon: If you want to get invited back as a speaker, submit your materials on time and complete; don’t make organizer hound you #lawjobchat
2:47 am mjsq: Q7 I don’t mean to dwell but one of best parts of attending CLE is meeting other *participants*. Does online allow for that? #LawJobChat
2:47 am BaranCLE: I think it’s much easier for a speaker to hone skills online before stepping in front of a podium. @lawline, you think? #LawJobChat
2:47 am aellislegal: RT @lisasolomon: Easier to propose to local bar assn b/c you probably already have contacts there, happy to provide platform #lawjobchat
2:48 am Lawline: @baranCLE re speaker bureau: it would turn the tables. The larger pool of speakers could also provide more energy to CLE. #LawJobChat
2:48 am aellislegal: RT @lisasolomon: If you want to get invited back as a speaker, submit your materials on time and complete #lawjobchat
2:48 am BaranCLE: A REALLY good way to start speaking is to join associations and BLOG about your specialty. They will seek you out! #LawJobChat
2:49 am aellislegal: RT @BaranCLE: A REALLY good way to start speaking is to join associations and BLOG about your specialty. They will seek you out! #lawjobchat
2:49 am Lawline: @mjsq Q7: Online is increasingly interactive. Just like webpages were once static and now we have Twitter… the same is coming #LawJobChat
2:49 am DavidCohenEsq: RT @lisasolomon: If you want to get invited back as a speaker, submit your materials on time and complete; don’t make organizer hound you #lawjobchat
2:50 am lisasolomon: @mjsq I include a title, complete program description, and link to past speaking engagements in my proposals #lawjobchat
2:50 am BaranCLE: Another advantage (or not) of online is that they offer reviews. @lawline does an excellent job of this. #LawJobChat
2:50 am mjsq: Like yr pts, @LawLine. I agree – e.g., if there’s a hashtag involved w/ CLE or comment forum but wanted to hear from experts. #LawJobChat
2:50 am Lawline: @mjsq re Q7: That being said, live programs will always have that advantage to a degree. Being able to shake hands is important #LawJobChat
2:52 am BaranCLE: There’s been huge cry about online vs live re quality, etc. Live is going nowhere. Online provides accessibility and convenience #LawJobChat
2:52 am aellislegal: Q8 – Some states allow CLE for ‘self-study’ (i.e., prof reading) – what about CLE credit for tweeting? Any states allow? #lawjobchat
2:52 am Lawline: RT @BaranCLE: There’s been huge cry about online vs live re quality, etc. Live is going nowhere. Online provides accessibility and convenience #LawJobChat
2:53 am lisasolomon: If ur serious re: speaking, have a friend in the audience videotape u, put samples on ur website (http://tinyurl.com/2uo7djs) #lawjobchat
2:53 am mjsq: @Lawline, true- but @lisasolomon @barancle @aellislegal & you & I all met online then shook hands in person. Could work w/ CLE #LawJobChat
2:53 am BaranCLE: Great points by @lisasolomon when presenting, be prepared. Know the rules re: materials, bios, outline, etc #LawJobChat
2:54 am BaranCLE: @aellislegal CLE for tweeting, blogging and other social media engagement would be great. But the regulators are not even close #LawJobChat
2:54 am Lawline: Great Pt!@mjsq true- but @lisasolomon @barancle @aellislegal & you & I all met online then shook hands in person. #LawJobChat
2:55 am mjsq: Wow, @lisasolomon! Another great idea! (she posted clips & testimonials on her website:http://tinyurl.com/2uo7djs) #LawJobChat
2:55 am lisasolomon: CLE speaking isn’t really that much work: can present same program for many diff organizations, in diff formats (live/online) #lawjobchat
2:56 am Lawline: re q8: Yes we have a ways to go for tweetCLEs, but what an innovative idea! It would be truly interactive, moreso than live. #LawJobChat
2:56 am mjsq: Question for @LisaSolomon – how has presenting CLEs helped/advanced your career? You seem to be great example of it working. #LawJobChat
2:57 am lisasolomon: @mjsq Most important tip: use a tripod and wireless lavalier mic for best recording quality #lawjobchat
2:58 am BaranCLE: @lisasolomon Lisa has some of the best practical advice on speaking, preparing, oh, and mushrooms (the kind we eat). #LawJobChat
2:58 am aellislegal: Final (official) Q (though keep tweeting if you wish) – how would someone use your services @barancle? #lawjobchat
2:58 am aellislegal: Final Q (cont) – and, @lawline, how can attorneys find out more about your CLE programs? #lawjobchat
3:00 am BaranCLE: You’re sweet for asking, Amanda. If putting on a webinar, 3-day conference or any CLE activity and need accreditation, we help #LawJobChat
3:00 am lisasolomon: @mjsq Speaking (along w/writing) gives me greater credibility w/potential clients. Exposes me to PCs (I work only 4 other attys) #lawjobchat
3:00 am BaranCLE: Again, CLE jobs at CLE providers, Bar Associations, Law Firms, any entity that offers CLE courses. Use social media to find ‘em #LawJobChat
3:01 am Lawline: final q: go to www.lawline.com. There are options to become a presenter there as well. We respond to all requests. #LawJobChat
3:02 am lisasolomon: Even if other attys aren’t ur clients, listing CLEs u’ve presented on ur website will make PCs think “he/she must be an expert” #lawjobchat
3:03 am aellislegal: @BaranCLE @lawline Thanks so much!! I should include @lisasolomon, too – you all shared brilliant advice #lawjobchat
3:03 am mjsq: I contacted @BaranCLE to see if my blogging for lawyers course could be accredited. I had no idea the process before I asked. #LawJobChat
3:04 am aellislegal: As always, I’ll post summary + transcript tomorrow. And, back on schedule in Jan with #LawJobChaton the last Thurs – 1/27/11 #lawjobchat
3:04 am BaranCLE: Thanks guys, this was a lot of fun. That hour flew by! #LawJobChat
3:04 am mjsq: Agree w/ @aellislegal, awesome chat. Lots of topics/different directions but it was very enjoyable. #LawJobChat
3:06 am Lawline: @aellislegal Thank you for organizing. As @BaranCLE stated, it is a pleasure to participate. #lawjobchat
3:12 am econwriter5: RT @mjsq: Btw, I love @BaranCLE‘s job board. Not only CLE jobs. Great resource.http://www.barancle.com/cle-jobs/ #LawJobChat
3:14 am econwriter5: #lawjobchat looked like a good one tonight. Will have to read transcript.
3:14 am econwriter5: RT @BaranCLE: for a course to be CLE accredited, the provider must apply in each state. We help you through that process #LawJobChat
3:15 am DavidCohenEsq: @Lawline @aellislegal @BaranCLE @mjsq Great job tonight! #lawjobchat

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